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The Stop pistols seem to have been very popular in Austria; just why is a mystery. LILIPUT - CAL 6,35m/m (.25)'. Bolt head must be turned so that its smaller locking lug aligns with rib on caliber. When the barrel is in its front-most position, the bolt gets unlocked and now also moves forward, driven by the bolt spring.
The Frommer Stop remained in production until about 1929, and is still relatively common in Central Europe. ejector.
During forward movement of the barrel the ejector is pushed into a groove in the wall of the back part of the barrel. 7.65 mm.
This is an M1906 Adler pistol, serial number 1202, in 7.25mm caliber.
Browning Short cartridge, the Hungarian nomenclature for which was „9 mm.
Pistols and Holsters.
It was made by the Hungarian firm but … replacement parts are rare and the gun seems to be handfitted at least partially, so an extractor I borrowed didnt work. The Frommer Stop was a fresh approach to long recoil operation, the vital feature being a double spring system lying in a tunnel above the barrel. movement of the bolt the spent case is ejected AND the new cartridge loaded from the mag into the chamber.
Original magazines are stamped '6,35 FROMMER', not serialized.
I will try to get some photos from the inside on this blog. Is a very mechanically complicated weapon and that probably impacted on commercial sales. It was designed as a “last resort” weapon for very close combat.
1910. Calibre: 7.65 x 17.
The mushroomed edges must be filed down to disassemble these
This was the Stop Patent system, and is frequently called Mod. So the first letter of each word together makes "Sr", which is a logical abbrevation for szobarend - at least IMHO. 'Bp' (for Budapest), followed by St.Steven's crowned crest and the last two characters are the year of manufacture.
All parts were manufactured using the highest quality materials available with strict tolerance standards, so all parts were interchangeable between pistols. The Frommer 7,65 ammunition is a conventional 7,65 Browning (.32 ACP) but what I heard is that the .32ACP is loaded rather weakly overseas (not here in Europe). I assume they didn’t produce these handguns to last thousands of rounds. It was designed by Rudolf Frommer and featured an unusual 'long recoil' operating system.
M1901 Frommer design, but placing them in the M1910 Frommer-type tunnel (though complicating
It was probably traded or sold to Austria by the Germans. The fixed rear sight also acts as the charging handle for the top-mounted jeweled bolt.
Frommer Liliput Mod.
STOP CAL.9m/m (.380).
My two lugs are “50% done” as you can see here: The cocking handle has scraped away half of the guide rod’s lugs over the decades, even though the rod is of hard steel. I understand this serial number is post WWI (1920 or 1921 I think), but what is the meaning of the Sr. marking? I just received a reply from them and this is their first exposure to such a proof. This modification of the 29M came from the Colt Ace, which was patented in Hungary by Frommer in June 1932.
The Liliput had an external hammer and a grip safety.
During this forward (!)
Also a variant, the 39M, was produced, this is the Stop in “9mm kurz” (.380 ACP). Frommer Stop Mod. Left side markings: FEGYVERGYÁR - BUDAPEST - FROMMER - PAT. Probably a war reparation pistol given to Czechoslovakia after WW1.
Release pressure on the
Here are some more Sr. marked serial numbers - 291865, 292414, and 299532(in my collection). There are reports of German proofed pistols with random serial numbers up to 180000. 1901, though there seems to be no such official designation. The modifications made by the Hungarians consist of the lightening of the trigger guard unit and cutout and added mechanical safety in the form of a firing pin lock which prevents firing until the slide is fully closed, obviously a good feature. 48).
The origin and use of this pistol is unknown. This is a close up of the serial (217048, indicating a later model) and the “Beschußzeichen” (proof marks, indicating Budapest 1918): The long recoil type of operation used in the Frommer is a speciality (or just plain overkill) for such a small and weak caliber. This is apparently the first Browning adaptation made by Frommer.
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Mod. The caliber was named “7.65 Frommer” to distinguish it from the weaker “7.65 Browning”, see bottom of the mag plate: It is advised to use hot loaded .32 ACP in the Stop as the long recoil action needs lots of ooomph from the cartridge to cycle the gun fully. ### Without depressing this safety fully the trigger can’t be moved. All the 32 Frommer stops in my collection have a slightly rounded off front edge on the floor plate.
The shoot only one shot, the sleeve is not sent out. By mid-1941 a change was made in the 7.65 mm. Remove recoil spring. Non-Commercial educational use for the purpose of teaching and instruction, including internal training. I'm not sure how they dated Fommers, but I see nothing wrong with the serial number on yours? About 37,000 Frommer Stop pistols were sold to German in 1916-1917, between serial numbers 56,000 and 93,500.
I can’t confirm this, my Stop shoots well with any .32 ACP ammo I’ve tried (Geco, Magtech, S&B). This redesigned version, also taking the 9 mm. Drive out magazine catch pin to free the catch. Mod.
In the period 1899 to 1912 he originated two basic designs, both of which, in a number of variant forms, were made by Fegyver es Gepgyar Reszvenytarsasag (The Small Arms and Machine Factory, Ltd.) of Budapest. In the Stop the extractor (top right) does not have any spring, it is just “pressed” against the rim by its own flat spring form. Early in 1941 the German Ordnance Department (Heereswaffenamt) gave the Hungarians an order for 50,000 pistols of the 37M to be provided with a 7.65 mm.
and lanyard loop by driving out the grip safety pin. Cock hammer and pull bolt body out to rear.
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